In this episode of Better in Person, host Stephen Dubner interviews Chef Hillary Sterling about her philosophy of cooking as caregiving, her journey from a childhood of processed foods to becoming executive chef at the New York restaurant Ci Siamo, and her emphasis on cooking with the senses rather than just following recipes. The conversation explores Sterling's approach to teaching, the challenges of running a high-volume kitchen, and her deep connection to Italian cuisine.
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Hillary Sterling's culinary philosophy centers on cooking with senses, not just recipes—she teaches cooks to listen for the 'noise' of pasta in a pan and to feel when pork is perfectly cooked by its 'glisten' rather than relying solely on thermometers.
Sterling reveals that she didn't take the job to run Danny Meyer's iconic Union Square Cafe because she felt she couldn't be her authentic self in a space with such a fixed history, choosing instead to build her own identity at Ci Siamo.
The chef discusses the economics of running a restaurant, including negotiating with suppliers for 28,000 pounds of cipollini onions and 6,000 rabbits annually, and the importance of controlling food, wine, and labor costs.
Sterling's childhood of 'cream cheese sandwiches on Wonderbread' and canned potatoes shaped her pursuit of real, textured food, making her an anomaly among chefs who grew up with access to good restaurants.
The episode highlights Sterling's resilience: after a zero-star review early in her career, she read it years later and admitted the critic was right, using that experience to build herself back up and eventually earn a glowing review from the same critic.
"I feel like I'm a caregiver. I feel like that's what it stems from, right? Like I take care of people. You know, I love nothing more than making my son's lunch and dinner."