The episode features Daniel Balthasar, co-CIO of Active Strategies at Norges Bank Investment Management, who discusses how the fund deviates from its index to generate excess returns. He shares a personal investing failure that taught him the importance of not just hoping for change but actively making it happen, as exemplified by Bill Ackman. The conversation also covers the fund's systems for challenging investment theses and learning from mistakes, highlighting the value of permanent capital and a long-term perspective.
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Daniel Balthasar shares a personal investing failure with Air Products: he lost money by hoping for change, while Bill Ackman later doubled his money by actively engaging with the board and forcing change.
The fund's active strategies allow deviation from the benchmark, with a long-term horizon and permanent capital as key advantages.
A key lesson from Ackman: invest in 'great' companies with strong moats and predictable cash flows, not just cheap stocks.
The fund is implementing systems to analyze investment decisions to identify strengths and weaknesses of each portfolio manager.
Daniel emphasizes the importance of sleep, nutrition, and exercise as foundations for staying focused during underperformance.
"Every stock that's cheap is cheap for a reason, and something needs to change for that stock to perform and for that value to materialize. I was just investing in hope for change. Bill came in and he made the change happen."
"What he does extremely well is challenging his own investment thesis. He speaks a lot how he does it... he meets the biggest short seller, the people who have the opposite view."
"I think the objective should be to find the truth. And we also need to admit when we are wrong, learn our lessons, systemize our learnings, and de-bias our investment decisions."